1 00:00:01,390 --> 00:00:05,280 I can't in equal time, win a debate. 2 00:00:05,420 --> 00:00:09,990 I don't want debate. I want dialogue in the future, sharing ideas. 3 00:00:10,130 --> 00:00:13,530 If the minister says "What makes plants grow?" 4 00:00:13,670 --> 00:00:17,520 if I was able to show him the rays of the sun 5 00:00:17,660 --> 00:00:20,870 and then the plant bringing the sap up through the middle 6 00:00:21,010 --> 00:00:24,110 and the used sap going down through the outside, 7 00:00:24,250 --> 00:00:26,820 if I could show him the anatomy of growth, [then] 8 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:30,410 he says "Yes, but what makes that flow that way?" 9 00:00:30,550 --> 00:00:34,990 "[It's] temperature differences and electrical conductivity." "How is that generated?" 10 00:00:35,130 --> 00:00:38,250 If the priest was smart, he'd say "How do you do that?" 11 00:00:38,390 --> 00:00:42,580 "As the fluids move through the membranes, they generate electric currents." 12 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:45,060 See, if he doesn't know all of those things, 13 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:48,510 if he says "Yes, but what makes it work?" 14 00:00:48,650 --> 00:00:50,920 "Those that don't work don't exist anymore. 15 00:00:51,060 --> 00:00:55,050 There were many plants that didn't work." He doesn't know that. 16 00:00:55,190 --> 00:00:58,430 He doesn't know that there were many birds that pecked at their young 17 00:00:58,570 --> 00:01:00,660 when they were hatched and killed them. 18 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:02,890 That species is gone. 19 00:01:03,030 --> 00:01:06,790 You have to show, that for every advance, 20 00:01:06,930 --> 00:01:11,760 inventors made thousands of things that didn't work. You understand that. 21 00:01:11,900 --> 00:01:15,800 Artists made terrible drawings before they learned to make better drawings. 22 00:01:15,940 --> 00:01:19,560 (R. Meadows)- Jacque, can you talk about the experiment you did with birds 23 00:01:19,700 --> 00:01:23,110 and the beaks? - The beaks? I did talk about that. 24 00:01:23,250 --> 00:01:26,130 - Oh you did? Sorry, 25 00:01:26,270 --> 00:01:31,060 putting the food in the beaks that were moving. 26 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:32,890 (Man)- Oh no, you didn't say that one. 27 00:01:33,030 --> 00:01:37,430 - How you built the automated birds, and they - Oh, that one. 28 00:01:37,570 --> 00:01:41,070 A bird would drop worms into the mouths of the baby birds, 29 00:01:41,210 --> 00:01:43,330 because they move a lot, like that; 30 00:01:43,470 --> 00:01:46,450 and the bird that didn't move too much didn't get fed. 31 00:01:46,590 --> 00:01:50,350 He kept putting worms in the open mouths, 32 00:01:50,490 --> 00:01:53,600 so I figured, I'd try an experiment 33 00:01:53,740 --> 00:01:57,860 and made a plastic mouth that moved more than a real bird, 34 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:02,140 and they kept dropping the worms into the plastic thing. 35 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:04,920 So, birds don't have an instinct to feed their young. 36 00:02:05,060 --> 00:02:08,560 They react to moving, open mouths. 37 00:02:08,700 --> 00:02:11,910 I wanted to know "How does a bird know to feed its young." 38 00:02:12,050 --> 00:02:16,150 There is no bird that says "You've got to feed the young, or they'll die." 39 00:02:16,290 --> 00:02:19,360 What is instinct? I wanted to know what the word was. 40 00:02:19,500 --> 00:02:21,380 How does a bird know how to do that? 41 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:24,100 The birds that don't know how to do that are gone. 42 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:29,250 - Jacque, the birds bring food back. Do they bring food back even when 43 00:02:29,390 --> 00:02:32,910 the babies aren't there? They just bring food back, right? 44 00:02:33,050 --> 00:02:36,080 - No, the birds bring food back... 45 00:02:36,220 --> 00:02:39,240 They eat the food, but when they have babies, 46 00:02:39,380 --> 00:02:42,020 and the babies move and squawk, if they don't feed them, 47 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:44,130 they die out, that species. 48 00:02:44,270 --> 00:02:47,070 If they drop worms in, they reproduce. 49 00:02:47,210 --> 00:02:49,660 - But do they bring food back anyway 50 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:51,780 whether they have babies or not?" 51 00:02:51,920 --> 00:02:56,590 - No, they do not bring food back. They don't even build a nest. 52 00:02:57,170 --> 00:03:00,500 They don't even build a nest unless they are pregnant. 53 00:03:00,640 --> 00:03:06,310 When they're pregnant, internal secretions change their behavior, 54 00:03:06,450 --> 00:03:08,810 and that change in behavior 55 00:03:08,950 --> 00:03:12,510 is either feeding your young very little, or a lot. 56 00:03:12,650 --> 00:03:15,070 If you feed them too little, they die. 57 00:03:15,210 --> 00:03:18,630 Every bird that hatches pecks at the other birds. 58 00:03:18,770 --> 00:03:22,190 If they are a little weaker, they push them out of the nest. 59 00:03:22,330 --> 00:03:27,270 Did you know that? Even the birds push their own young out of a nest. 60 00:03:27,410 --> 00:03:31,720 - Do you know if birds bring their food back to their nest even if there's no babies? 61 00:03:31,860 --> 00:03:34,520 - No, they do not. - When there's no babies, they don't... 62 00:03:34,660 --> 00:03:37,600 - They don't. - Only when there's babies in there? 63 00:03:37,740 --> 00:03:40,940 - Well then, there's another bird called the butcher bird. 64 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:45,280 It takes things and hangs it on thorn bushes, 65 00:03:45,420 --> 00:03:48,600 and they thought that the butcher bird stores food, 66 00:03:48,740 --> 00:03:51,060 because you'll find gum wrappers, 67 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:55,100 some silver foil paper, hanging on thorns. 68 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:58,880 They collect all kinds of stuff. They don't collect food, 69 00:03:59,020 --> 00:04:02,380 but your school books have a propensity to say the butcher bird 70 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:07,210 stores things on thorn bushes, as though they only store food. 71 00:04:07,530 --> 00:04:11,440 So, the real job is to try to figure out 72 00:04:11,580 --> 00:04:15,410 what this 'hereditary mechanism' is. 73 00:04:15,550 --> 00:04:19,630 When you said the alligators protect their young, this is true. 74 00:04:19,770 --> 00:04:23,820 If you come near baby alligators, the mother will swim over 75 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:27,270 and try to keep you from getting anywhere near its babies. 76 00:04:27,410 --> 00:04:31,900 There were alligators that don't do that. They're not around anymore. 77 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:36,570 (Man)- I feel I don't fully understand the mechanism that drives that 78 00:04:36,710 --> 00:04:40,630 because someone would say "Oh, that's an instinct to protect the young." 79 00:04:40,770 --> 00:04:44,000 - No, I'm going to try to explain. 80 00:04:44,140 --> 00:04:47,190 If I fail, you have to let me know, now. 81 00:04:47,330 --> 00:04:49,280 Some alligators 82 00:04:49,420 --> 00:04:53,240 have a tendency to protect all their young. They keep them all in one place. 83 00:04:53,380 --> 00:04:56,330 Some alligators swim around a lot and come back occasionally 84 00:04:56,470 --> 00:05:00,980 because they can't count. They don't know whether one's missing, or 3 are missing. 85 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:05,320 Alligators don't concern themselves with that, but they react a certain way. 86 00:05:05,460 --> 00:05:09,670 Let's say they don't inspect their young too much 87 00:05:09,810 --> 00:05:14,390 and some inspect them a little more. That tribe survives, 88 00:05:14,530 --> 00:05:16,560 and the others don't. 89 00:05:16,700 --> 00:05:20,420 So, there are only minor degrees of protection, 90 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:26,280 and if they're born with more internal flow of a certain secretion, 91 00:05:26,420 --> 00:05:30,190 and they retain being fed when they were young, 92 00:05:30,330 --> 00:05:33,120 they tend to imprint on that; 93 00:05:33,260 --> 00:05:37,410 but they don't take care of their young because they care. 94 00:05:37,550 --> 00:05:40,830 They put them in their mouth and those that injure their young, 95 00:05:40,970 --> 00:05:43,940 and those that ate their young no longer exist. 96 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:47,330 There are many animals, I don't know if you've read about them, 97 00:05:47,470 --> 00:05:52,370 that have young offspring, and when a bigger animal comes in, they eat their young 98 00:05:52,510 --> 00:05:56,320 so the big animal won't eat their young. Whatever it is that they do. 99 00:05:56,460 --> 00:05:59,360 They eat their young. Are you familiar with that, 100 00:05:59,500 --> 00:06:01,340 animals that eat their young? 101 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:04,220 To protect them from the other animals, they say, 102 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:07,080 so they eat them. That's no protection. 103 00:06:07,510 --> 00:06:11,470 Women have a chemical that's secreted when they're pregnant, 104 00:06:11,610 --> 00:06:16,110 not all women, and they feel 'on cloud nine', and they have appetites for 105 00:06:16,250 --> 00:06:19,540 unusual things. - Nurturing. - It's oxytocin, isn't it? 106 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:23,140 - And what happens is, if a woman has a little bit of that, 107 00:06:23,280 --> 00:06:26,550 she feels "My God, how come I'm carrying this shit around?" 108 00:06:26,690 --> 00:06:29,420 If they have more secretion with a baby, 109 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:32,290 they walk a certain way, and they feel good. 110 00:06:32,430 --> 00:06:37,420 If the women don't have enough of that, they don't reproduce as much, 111 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:41,890 but they always start with very little feelings 112 00:06:42,030 --> 00:06:44,710 of well-being when they're pregnant, 113 00:06:44,850 --> 00:06:50,760 and if it gets stronger and stronger, they keep going and have babies; 114 00:06:50,900 --> 00:06:55,570 and women pick up the baby, and it smiles, and they look at it, 115 00:06:55,710 --> 00:06:59,820 because the options today are less; 116 00:06:59,960 --> 00:07:03,910 or if their options are more, if they have lots of options 117 00:07:04,050 --> 00:07:07,270 other than having children, they take a world cruise, 118 00:07:07,410 --> 00:07:10,910 instead of wipe the baby's ass every day and change the diapers 119 00:07:11,050 --> 00:07:14,720 and go into the room every time its screaming and crying, 120 00:07:14,860 --> 00:07:17,260 and rock it up and back. 121 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:20,710 They go to the neighbor and say "Will you stay with the kids tonight? 122 00:07:20,850 --> 00:07:23,190 We'd like to go to a concert." 123 00:07:23,330 --> 00:07:28,910 Or, they hire a person called a babysitter to rock the crib, you know. 124 00:07:29,050 --> 00:07:33,700 There are women that do enjoy being with a baby, 125 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:37,190 and there are women that say "Jesus Christ, I haven't been to a concert in years, 126 00:07:37,330 --> 00:07:41,400 or I haven't been to a play in years", and they hire people to do that. 127 00:07:41,540 --> 00:07:44,020 Some people that are wealthy enough, 128 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:48,630 hire a mom to take care of the baby and nourish the baby. 129 00:07:48,770 --> 00:07:50,970 As long as they have no responsibility... 130 00:07:51,110 --> 00:07:55,380 The guy has absolutely no responsibility; it's all put on the women. 131 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:58,450 The women are brought up "How would you like two children, 132 00:07:58,590 --> 00:08:00,420 a boy and a little girl?" 133 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:02,620 A guy has got an ego, 134 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:06,620 because the kids represent his name going into the future. 135 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:09,990 I don't give a shit about those things. You know what I mean? 136 00:08:10,130 --> 00:08:12,770 My kids are the same as any other kids. 137 00:08:12,910 --> 00:08:16,130 They're just brought up with a different value system. 138 00:08:16,270 --> 00:08:18,520 No kid reflects you unless 139 00:08:18,660 --> 00:08:22,410 all that they inherit is the shape of the ears and nose, 140 00:08:22,550 --> 00:08:26,470 and the head, somewhat similar to you. 141 00:08:26,610 --> 00:08:28,650 The guy says "He's a replica." 142 00:08:28,790 --> 00:08:33,090 If the child misbehaves, he says "You got that from your mother. 143 00:08:33,230 --> 00:08:35,430 You didn't get that from me." 144 00:08:35,570 --> 00:08:38,480 Yelling all the time, you know, whatever it is. 145 00:08:38,620 --> 00:08:43,110 So, men do that, and women do the other thing, 146 00:08:43,250 --> 00:08:46,860 and kids whose daddy doesn't like their behavior 147 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:50,880 says "Look, daddy, I inherited it from you!" - 148 00:08:51,020 --> 00:08:53,790 He [father] says "No, you're just disobedient." You know. 149 00:08:53,930 --> 00:08:55,980 He doesn't know all that. 150 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:58,640 And so, people are full of shit. In the future, 151 00:08:58,780 --> 00:09:02,950 people will raise kids that are all the same as your own. 152 00:09:03,090 --> 00:09:08,670 They're little. They cry. They say "Me want that bottle", 153 00:09:08,810 --> 00:09:14,070 "Me want food", or "Me want to go in the carriage." You know. 154 00:09:14,210 --> 00:09:18,800 They can't say anything other than that. They're all alike. 155 00:09:18,940 --> 00:09:22,920 You wouldn't know they were children if they suddenly said "I disagree with you. 156 00:09:23,060 --> 00:09:27,240 I'd like proven evidence." You never see that in a child. 157 00:09:27,380 --> 00:09:31,940 I'm saying that the idea that your name will go into the future 158 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:36,230 is something you're brought up with. You see movies of the happy family. 159 00:09:36,370 --> 00:09:40,240 I've never seen a movie where the wife has to wipe the baby's ass 160 00:09:40,380 --> 00:09:43,460 and change the diapers. They don't show that in movies. 161 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:47,320 They just show the children playing, and the kids laugh, 162 00:09:47,460 --> 00:09:53,110 their cute little cheeks, but they don't show "Aah!" all day "Aah!" 163 00:09:53,250 --> 00:09:55,690 hitting each other, knocking things over, 164 00:09:55,830 --> 00:10:01,050 and getting food all over the floor, and the mother gets so tense, 165 00:10:01,190 --> 00:10:05,880 especially if they're poor, and she can't feed the kids well, 166 00:10:06,020 --> 00:10:08,740 and she can't take them to the doctor every time they're sick. 167 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:11,460 He doesn't have the money. So she sits, 168 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:14,370 and her husband is screwing around on the outside. 169 00:10:14,510 --> 00:10:16,270 She is up to here in stress. 170 00:10:16,410 --> 00:10:20,390 Sometimes she'll put a pillow over the kid and suffocate him, 171 00:10:20,530 --> 00:10:24,850 because it's just too much to carry. Can you understand that, or not at all? 172 00:10:24,990 --> 00:10:27,740 Sometimes she'll put the kid on the window ledge, 173 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:29,950 hoping it'll fall out the window. 174 00:10:30,090 --> 00:10:33,470 It's just too much, when your husband doesn't own enough, 175 00:10:33,610 --> 00:10:36,020 if he's an alcoholic, screwing around; 176 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:41,110 and you have piles of debt and shit, and you kill your kid. 177 00:10:41,250 --> 00:10:43,760 If you said to the judge "If you were under that stress", 178 00:10:43,900 --> 00:10:47,300 he'd say "I'd kill my kids sooner. I wouldn't wait that long." 179 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:52,060 If you can see all the stress that people are under, that have kids, 180 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:54,700 you can understand that, but a judge sits there and says, 181 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:57,010 "How can you take the lives of your own children?" 182 00:10:57,150 --> 00:11:00,830 She can't explain that. She doesn't know why she does it, 183 00:11:00,970 --> 00:11:04,170 but I can assure you, more people would kill their kids, 184 00:11:04,310 --> 00:11:06,550 if they couldn't take care of them. 185 00:11:06,690 --> 00:11:09,380 It's the degree of stress. 186 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:14,210 Now, do they love kids? They can't afford to put up with kids 187 00:11:14,350 --> 00:11:17,000 that scream, keep them awake all night, 188 00:11:17,140 --> 00:11:20,030 especially if the kids need medical attention. 189 00:11:20,170 --> 00:11:23,340 They can't provide that, and the husband's out drinking. 190 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:26,430 He's an alcoholic. He can't take care of things. 191 00:11:26,570 --> 00:11:30,690 Why does he drink? Because he can say to the boss "Fuck you, 192 00:11:30,830 --> 00:11:33,110 and everybody associated with the company." 193 00:11:33,250 --> 00:11:36,450 Without alcohol, he can't say that. He gets tense. 194 00:11:36,590 --> 00:11:41,470 When he comes home, he says "Get out there and cook for me, honey." 195 00:11:41,610 --> 00:11:46,690 If she doesn't he says "Fuck you." When he drinks, he feels released. 196 00:11:46,830 --> 00:11:49,200 In the mechanistic society, 197 00:11:49,340 --> 00:11:52,930 children will learn how to deal with stress 198 00:11:53,070 --> 00:11:55,260 right away when they're very young. 199 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:59,140 That means you're expecting something that didn't occur. 200 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,770 "Oh yes, that's true. I expect it to work when I build an airplane, 201 00:12:02,910 --> 00:12:06,910 and I launch it, I expect it to fly, not to crash." 202 00:12:07,050 --> 00:12:09,450 Do you understand? So the kid is hurt. 203 00:12:09,590 --> 00:12:11,990 He talks to another kid. He can't convince him. 204 00:12:12,130 --> 00:12:15,160 He feels rejected. You know, all of that. 205 00:12:15,300 --> 00:12:18,520 When I talk to a person, and they reject what I say, 206 00:12:18,660 --> 00:12:22,640 I feel I don't know how to get to them. That's the proper word. 207 00:12:22,780 --> 00:12:26,140 Instead of saying "That son of a bitch; I couldn't get to him." 208 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:30,280 You know what I mean? That's your expectations that hurt you, 209 00:12:30,420 --> 00:12:33,350 not the world. The world never hurts you. 210 00:12:33,490 --> 00:12:37,980 It's your own expectations that hurt. Do you understand that? 211 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:43,920 If you're brought up that way, it's very different than hearing me speak. 212 00:12:44,060 --> 00:12:48,670 I can only get to you in certain areas 213 00:12:48,810 --> 00:12:51,600 that are acceptable. There are other areas 214 00:12:51,740 --> 00:12:56,780 you wonder about and hold it in abeyance, until you encounter this to be so. 215 00:12:56,920 --> 00:13:01,490 I can accelerate that process. That's all I can do. 216 00:13:01,630 --> 00:13:05,870 I can't say "He's a mechanist, now." I can't do that. 217 00:13:06,010 --> 00:13:09,320 In time, you will undergo change much faster 218 00:13:09,460 --> 00:13:12,930 than you would've gone before you came here. 219 00:13:13,070 --> 00:13:17,180 You'll have a different attitude after [hearing] 'Human Behavior'. 220 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:20,340 That's normal, for certain people to behave a certain way. 221 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:22,800 You'll understand that real well. 222 00:13:23,570 --> 00:13:27,130 I don't think people are wise enough yet 223 00:13:27,270 --> 00:13:29,970 to use technology intelligently, 224 00:13:30,110 --> 00:13:32,980 and I'm sorry about that. You know? 225 00:13:33,620 --> 00:13:36,110 You have to deal with the world as it is, 226 00:13:36,250 --> 00:13:38,410 not as you'd like it to be. 227 00:13:39,090 --> 00:13:43,140 You have to take people as far as they can go. 228 00:13:43,770 --> 00:13:46,130 I try to find a way, 229 00:13:46,270 --> 00:13:49,770 and I talk at the first sessions the same way. 230 00:13:49,910 --> 00:13:53,900 I say the same thing to people, as they come here 231 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:58,370 and I give them the same examples, and they work. 232 00:13:58,510 --> 00:14:02,880 At seminars, I go into human behavior, agriculture, 233 00:14:03,020 --> 00:14:05,680 mass production of buildings, how to do that. 234 00:14:05,820 --> 00:14:09,280 I don't get a chance when a group of new people come over. 235 00:14:09,420 --> 00:14:13,810 I usually say the same thing unless they ask new questions, 236 00:14:13,950 --> 00:14:16,640 and they rarely can ask a new question. 237 00:14:17,460 --> 00:14:19,720 So the reason I say the same thing, 238 00:14:19,860 --> 00:14:22,810 is because people have the same questions. 239 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:26,840 It isn't that I like to say the same thing over again, 240 00:14:26,980 --> 00:14:30,750 but I have to tell them that, because it works. 241 00:14:30,890 --> 00:14:33,820 That system, from what I've found out, works. 242 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:37,970 If I find if I said something, [and] everybody walked out. 243 00:14:38,110 --> 00:14:42,400 I'm only basing my language on my own values. 244 00:14:42,540 --> 00:14:45,510 I must base it on their values. 245 00:14:45,650 --> 00:14:48,240 I use very simple examples. 246 00:14:48,380 --> 00:14:51,350 If you were raised in Germany, you'd be a German. 247 00:14:51,490 --> 00:14:53,970 They could understand that. 248 00:14:54,110 --> 00:14:58,360 It's not that people, they say the leaders come at the right time. 249 00:14:58,500 --> 00:15:00,840 The way the Lord's got it arranged. 250 00:15:00,980 --> 00:15:05,690 But conditions are ripe now for social change, 251 00:15:05,830 --> 00:15:08,780 all over the world. 252 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:11,400 I don't know what you can use in this tape, 253 00:15:11,540 --> 00:15:13,440 but there might be some stuff.